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Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 11:39 AM
Hello all nice new look on wht Ok My linux based hosting is now going strong. I have a good provider and my uptime is great. Servers are located at NAC which gives me really good performance for european users. It is now time for me to also offer windows based hosting. Here are some of my finds and I would like feedback on them: Since I need windows hosting but wouldn't mind having some more Linux based hosting, I've been looking at Hsphere enabled Resellers. here are the companies I came up with: (BUDGET LIMIT: about $35-$40 per month) I contacted them all and the ones with a * means they already answered my presale questions within 24 hours. (it speaks for itself that the ones without a * didn't reply after 24 hours so I'm not really thinking of doing business with them.. ...yes I'm tough) I also sorted them with ping times to their servers form here in europe: so here is the list of possible candidates (maybe others are available but more expensive...)although I'm still unsure about good performance for my european clients for all hosts mentioned... **cartikahosting (28 4GB/60GB max. 10 accounts) 17hops - 127ms **relio ($20 2GB/20 max. 10 accounts) 18 hops - 137 ms (Linux servers can be UK based!!! but not the windows server ) **hybridreseller.com ($25 - 5GB/50GB max. 25 accounts n' 100 domains) 18 hops - 129 ms **successfulhosting.com ($25 5GB/100GB max. 15 accounts"cheap") 20 hops - 137 ms (20 hOPS too much IMHO) **jodohost ($35 5GB/80GB +VPS!!!+ ORACLE !! 15 accounts free ) 20 hops - 131 ms (20 hOPS too much IMHO) not answered my questions: vip-hosting ($35 mor wel 4GB/40 GB max. 12 accounts) 17 hops 127 ms reseller-center($25 voor 5GB/60GB max. 15 accounts) 17 hops - 123 ms ourinternet.us () 18 hops - 132ms serverdivision.com (2/20GB 20 USD) - 16 hops 98 ms so these are all the Hsphere resellers I found worth mentioning I guess... another great host in my opinion is EUROVPS. although for about the same price I get only Windows but network performance is Unbeatable! eurovps 8 hops - 15 ms - ONLY windows and PLESK (no billingclient) another option would be finding a windows resellers with HELM CP (which has integrated billing) any you can think of ? or would you recommend me going for a hsphere reseller ? any feedback is welcome. I now choose my hosting providers carefully as I've had some mixed experience before. thank you for your input very much appreciated
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 01:19 PM
it is difficult to see what performance will be only on this criteria I agree yes. But one needs to find a way to evaluate different networks. I believe that when the number of hops increases, the data will need to pass through more routers to get to the server. This isn't a problem but more routers can also be seen as a higher risk of something failing between these links. Yes having a good throughout put over the atlantic is maybe the most important thing as this will be a major factor on the speed. I'm well aware that all these hosts will probably do fine on normal browsing condition but it's the real download speed that interests me. If I need to share a file with someone that is about 10 or more MB's. and if the speed drops under 100 KB/s over time then I'll probably get comments about the file slowing down. Which doesn't look good on my end. this is why I try to get my hosting closer to europe. I'm aware hosting in the States is cheaper and If I had more available funds I would stay in europe. I now have some plans hosted in the NAC datacenter in NJ. it's on the east coast, it's fast, and only 12 hops with 98 ms. so you can see that 12 hops and 98ms is a big difference with 20 hops and 131 ms. there will be some performance loss it's unavoidable. I've had experience with datacenters like theplanet and I must say I'm glad I'm not hosted there anymore. (downloads would drop under 50kb/s)
Posted by EuroVPS/Director, 10-27-2005, 01:33 PM
Hello Psykik Could you please tell me which member of my staff told you that we only offer Windows reseller accounts? Sincerely, Vasili <> Last edited by anon-e-mouse; 10-27-2005 at 06:28 PM.
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 01:48 PM
I'm sorry for the confusion Vasili, what I meant is that I was comparing the hosts above with eurovps. with the ones above it's a hsphere account combining both Linux-Windows with the reseller account of eurovps, it's either windows either linux not both. that's what I meant with "only windows" btw, now that you are active in this thread, do you offer 30 days money back garantee? + in my presale email to eurovps I didn't get the price fee for mssql databases. thank you
Posted by Yash-JH, 10-27-2005, 01:59 PM
psykik, I PMed you a test file for your convenience
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 02:12 PM
yes thank you yash i get about 140 kb/s on that file. What is good is that the speed stay constant. although 140 is quite good it's not "blazing fast" either. on my current server for my linux hosting I download a file about the same size at 230 kb/s a friend of mine downloaded your file on a 10 Mbps line at 400 kb/s but do not worry I still haven't ruled jodohost out you seem to follow up on your company which is always an excellent sign. same goes for vasili of eurovps. now if you wouldn't mind, I'll love to hear from unbiased users too (hope this doesn't sound to critical because it's not ment to sound that way... , i think it's good you are doing this, it shows your commitment ) greets
Posted by Karl Austin, 10-27-2005, 03:03 PM
My money would be on Relio. Carlos is a top bloke, you won't find a more helpful person (except maybe me ). Even when we moved our kit from the USA to the UK we still kept one offsite server colo'd with Carlos, there were cheaper options, but not when you look at the value of someone good and helpful behind it all.
Posted by portalplanet, 10-27-2005, 03:18 PM
I second Karl. I have been with Relio for almost a year now and have been slowly migrating my clients from an hsphere colo to his cluster. The uptime is awesome and so is the technical support. Just today I e-mailed them to get a perl module installed and they did it within an hour for me. Relio also gived you access to MSSQL server in addition to just mySQL. Justin
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 03:30 PM
My contact with relio was indeed excellent. nice site too (just a detail but still) I like their option of having your Linux part of the account hosted in the UK but it's a pity the Windows part cannot be hosted in UK but definitely a nice deal I agree
Posted by cartika-andrew, 10-27-2005, 03:42 PM
Hello and thank you for your consideration. Just to point out a discrepency here, the closest plan to what you outlined is our partner 3 plan which is 4GB/70GB and allows for 30 accounts... Not a big deal, but, wanted to make sure the number part of your comparison is correct. Fair enough, and I will now bow out of this thread and hopefully you will accumulate the information you are looking for
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 04:07 PM
my bad sorry, I actually ment the Partner2 plan. with 3GB/60GB with 20 licences 20 licences, even better it's sounds like I'm kicking you out of this thread actually, do you have any bigger files I could test out on your site for the speed ? in my presale question I got a link with downloads but it seems most are very small scripts like 1 MB in size.
Posted by cartika-andrew, 10-27-2005, 04:16 PM
LOL - not at all I think we all understand that feedback from users is more valuable to you then your candidates responding in this thread.... Yes, you were more then likely directed to our downloads section, where we have some larger files available (but, may not be easy to find) - so, Ive PM'ed you a test file you can use. Please do let me know your results from Europe... Thanks again...
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 04:30 PM
thank you for the file.
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 04:58 PM
ok I'm starting to get an idea here... I guess I'll have to pick one out of this list: (both for their costumer relation. got already some nice mails, pm's) -cartikahosting (nice plans, best download speeds from europe recorded today) -jodohost (just for all the features, the added VPS and Oracle database!) or european based: -eurovps can't beat network performance for my users but It's plesk for windows and thus no automated signup, billing... relio was looking good but although I could download files at about 150 KB/s my friend with a 10 Mbps line downloaded them at 20 Kb/s very very odd. and he downloaded them at about the same time as the other files from other hosts. mhhh tough choice
Posted by mripguru, 10-27-2005, 05:03 PM
Tough choice? Not really - CartikaHosting rocks. I've been with them for a few months and I've never had a problem with them yet.
Posted by Karl Austin, 10-27-2005, 05:06 PM
Fancy sending me a PM to the test files you used and I'll download them off of a couple of different connections, very surprised you'd only get 20Kb/s.
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 05:10 PM
yes I know it's odd. and it was not even me. My friend beat my download speed on all hosts I tested. (I got about 150 kb and he got 400/450) except for relio on these files http://relio.com/testfiles/ very strange
Posted by Karl Austin, 10-27-2005, 05:26 PM
Just done a couple of tests, and I have to say, I was actually disappointed with the speed (225-250KB/s), it actually looks like to me there is some temporary congestion on the way in, as I'm getting some wild latencies. I'd say it was more of a temporary issue than something normal.
Posted by psykik, 10-27-2005, 05:36 PM
got another friend confirming it though. so it's not one certain case.
Posted by Karl Austin, 10-27-2005, 05:49 PM
Oh yeah, not disputing that, if you look where the congestion appears to be occuring, then all users are going to get it until it is resolved.
Posted by psykik, 10-28-2005, 08:32 AM
for people that might be interested about download speed of different Hsphere resellers: all test done from relatively good broadband connections in Belgium **cartikahosting 17hops - 127ms download user1 450KB/S constant (Cable 10Mpbs line) download user2 150 KB/S (ADSL 4.4Mpbs line) download user3 130 kB/S (Cable 5Mpbs line) download user2 pc 2 415 KB/s (ADSL 4.4Mpbs line) download user4 142kB/sec (Cable 5Mpbs line) --->avg. 257,4 KB/s **jodohost 20 hops - 131 ms download user1 400 KB/s (Cable 10Mpbs line) download user2 140 KB (ADSL 4.4Mpbs line) download user3 100KB/s (Cable 5Mpbs line) download user2 pc2 160kB/s (ADSL 4.4Mpbs line) download user4 kB/sec (Cable 5Mpbs line) ---->avg. 187,9KB/s **relio ($20 2GB/20 max. 10 accounts) 18 hops - 137 ms download user1 onder 20kB/s (Cable 10Mpbs line) download user2 130 kB/s (ADSL 4.4Mpbs line) download user3 20 KB/s (Cable 5Mpbs line) download user2 pc2 200 kB/s (ADSL 4.4Mpbs line) download user4 90-100 kB/sec (Cable 5Mpbs line)
Posted by Karl Austin, 10-28-2005, 08:46 AM
Just done a re-test on the Relio files and the speeds have trippled since last night for me.
Posted by psykik, 10-28-2005, 08:48 AM
it seems relio has reasonable speed for people who tested it with a dsl connection and people with a cable connection reallly get low speeds. very odd. must be network related ... cartikahosting is by far the fastest in my list I think.
Posted by CRego3D, 10-28-2005, 08:51 AM
Just .. FYI A problem was identified last night on a router @ Relio, and the equipment was replaced. cheers Carlos Last edited by CRego3D; 10-28-2005 at 08:59 AM.
Posted by psykik, 10-28-2005, 09:21 AM
my linux server at NAC is by far the fastest for european users. I found a european based Hsphere reseller: http://www.aihs.net/en/services/reseller/ but really I'm a bit doubtfull ! look at these costs just too low to be good/true I guess....
Posted by Karl Austin, 10-28-2005, 09:24 AM
That does border on the realms of believability for me, even if they paid $2/license for HSphere then on their top package that's $500 of cost before we get in to the actual data transfer and server usage.
Posted by psykik, 10-28-2005, 09:26 AM
that's what I was thinking as well... I can't find any reviews about them either... this must be some kind of scam ...?! ...
Posted by Shaw Networks, 10-28-2005, 08:35 PM
Ping times are hardly a proper indication of what kind of site performance you're going to get. A server could be extremely overloaded running sluggish page loads, but could still be responding with good pings. Also, many web hosts have their websites hosted on different servers from where their customers are hosted. You'll need to inquire to the web hosts to get the proper IP address(es).
Posted by cartika-andrew, 10-29-2005, 12:32 AM
Obviously you are correct - however, they can be a good indication of what to expect. Again, accurate statements, but, alot of hosts have their sites on the same servers as their clients - especially in an hsphere cluster -
Posted by psykik, 10-29-2005, 09:18 AM
true but it's as cartikahosting said it's a good indication. and this is why I conducted real downloads as a test. this gives even a better idea. also almost all (serious) hosts have reasonable speeds to view a website but what I'm doing here is test how they are doing on download with let's say file of 10MB and up. this is because I need a reasonable download speed. also true but this is why I always send a presale question asking for them to give me 1 or more Ip's of a server they use to host sites.
Posted by layer0, 10-29-2005, 09:32 AM
psykik, Cartika Hosting is the best H-Sphere host I know, hands down. I'm hosting a forum on their cluster and it flys. Cartika's network itself is very nice as it's InterNAP & Level 3 BGP in a very well connected state (Texas).
Posted by Antax, 11-27-2005, 10:10 PM
psykik, I was following your thread with real interes. I am very new to reselling hosting but need ASP and PHP. I would like to know your final choice and probably your review based on your experience. You can send PM if you don't want to upset other host companies Thanks!!!
Posted by psykik, 11-28-2005, 04:16 AM
I don't really care to upset companies It's our choice in what hosting we take. and replying here will enable others to read it too. I actually decided not to go with a Hsphere reseller. Also I wanted best performance possible, so I decided to go with a European based company. At first it seemed I only had one really good choice: EuroVPS. but 1. they don't provide HELM (I wanted to try out HELM) 2. they didn't offer ASP.NET 2.0 yet. so I was kinda stuck until I found REDFOXHOSTING. I've been with them for about 2 weeks now and I kinda like it ! Warren, the owner seems to be a really great guy and is always helpful. I haven't had one Ticket unresolved or unanswered. though I only seem to get answers from him so I'm not sure how many support employees there are. but speed is obviously great and features included are also great. (hosted at redbus london, so even if you have american based clients, i guess the connection would be good) greets good luck in your search.
Posted by lavelle, 11-28-2005, 04:37 AM
Take a look to HostingFest.com Helm, ASP Net 2.0, Uk Based Company (i think ...), but servers in USA (EV1) I'm only 1 month with them, but i'm really impressed about network prformance and high level of support.
Posted by cbwass, 11-28-2005, 06:21 AM
HostingFest.com The support is awsome.
Posted by hammerhead, 11-30-2005, 12:16 PM
forget serverdivision.com. nightmare.
Posted by tttulio, 12-06-2005, 06:02 PM
Hi psykik, Curious to know who did you go with? Regards
Posted by psykik, 12-06-2005, 07:55 PM
it was in the post above already
Posted by Antax, 12-07-2005, 08:09 AM
I registered with RedFox, support is great. Had some issues only because I am new to reselling and to Helm. Cannot compare with other companies. Company does less thank 52K a year in business because there's no VAT applied to costs. Hope this helps.

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