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Posted by qwan, 02-03-2006, 02:27 PM
How is this possible 10gb space with 2500 email accounts for 7.95$ I saw it here http://www.ipowerweb.com/products/webhosting/index.html How can they give such an offer Where as all the realiable resellers and virtual private server pricing that i have seen can never allow me to give such an offer. Are we looking at the wrong place Even with an 80 gb dedicated server at 99$ i wouldnt make anything giving an offer like this. What is the funda i wouldnt mind if i could even sell at double the price or triple In resellers hosting offers it is immpossible so how can we give such offers and are these host reliable. Take a look at yahoo small business plans too they are giving so much of space for so cheap i have been checking out reseller pricing for the past one year but i dont see a change. But shared hosting like godaddy.com and some very good branded companies are giving tons of space for a song. how is that. Earlier only some unknown companies would give out these "unbelievable" offers. Now major hosting companies are giving such agreat offers. Any comments actually would rather want someone to direct where can i get a VPS or resellers of dedicated hosting for a price where i can sell like this. Or maybe another alternatives Last edited by qwan; 02-03-2006 at 02:33 PM.
Posted by Wekks, 02-03-2006, 02:38 PM
i checked quickl but it doesn't seem to be a reseller offer, is it? just plain hosting...
Posted by qwan, 02-03-2006, 03:03 PM
yes i know it is a shared hosting. I will make myself clear again as a reseller what do i do to give such kind of offers to my customers. Because even with the cheapest of the "reliable" resellers accounts i cannot afford to give such plans to my customers And my other question is when shared hosting costs have fallen so much why hasnt reseller hosting pricing fallen Even companies like godaddy and yahoo are giving away gbs for a song So why hasnt reseller hosting dropped. ANd how do they afford is it possible with a dedicated server because i havent seen dedicated server pricing drop either. So how can we survive. Earlier we would survive because of cheaper pricing.
Posted by Wekks, 02-03-2006, 03:15 PM
i was asking myself the same question yesterday looking for reseller hosting when i found anhosting.com (shared hosting, 15gigs, $7.95)
Posted by ACcomunica, 02-03-2006, 03:17 PM
I am very sorry qwan, but as a reseller you must offer something different from big name hosts. They will always be cheaper and there is nothing you can do about that. You need to offer something different like personal support, webdesign and other services to sell hosting as a part of your services. Good luck!
Posted by Lpal-Patrick, 02-03-2006, 03:34 PM
qwan what they are doing is called "overselling". Type that word into the search function and read.
Posted by qwan, 02-03-2006, 03:34 PM
What i was saying is earlier i could easily compete with godaddy.com i am talking about a few months back. But now i cannot they increased their space from 50mb to 500mb and now it is 5gb. What i am saying is in the past one year i havent seen that kind of drop in any price of reseller and of dedicated servers so how do they do it. Because i remember particular discussions on this board where they said that you cannot trust anything that low and only some run-of-the-mill hosting companies which would close down the next day gave 5gb for les than 5$ now godaddy is giving it for 3.95 Last edited by qwan; 02-03-2006 at 03:38 PM.
Posted by Shaw Networks, 02-04-2006, 04:56 AM
iPowerWeb simply oversells their servers more than most web hosts do (i.e. selling more disk space and bandwidth than the servers should be able to hold)
Posted by freak, 02-04-2006, 07:23 AM
They can't do it. Good that you know, that's why you shouldn't buy from them
Posted by RajanUrs, 02-04-2006, 07:26 AM
resellerspanel.com also has some amazing sized plans. 15 GB space + 300 GB traffic for $40 per annum 25 GB space + 400 GB traffic for $80 per annum
Posted by bluedreamer, 02-04-2006, 12:12 PM
that sounds far too cheap - you get what you pay for
Posted by xoail, 02-04-2006, 06:42 PM
do we have a review on resellerspanel in here ?
Posted by xoail, 02-04-2006, 06:42 PM
do we have a review on resellerspanel in here ?
Posted by PickleZone, 02-04-2006, 10:34 PM
Hello all - Two thoughts: 1) Hosting fees are going down, down, down -- soon you will be able to get hosting for $1. Then what? 2) Who cares about 2500 emails, and 10gb of space? A business that can only pay $7.95 a month does not have 2500 employees. This is another example of unfocused marketing of plan features that make no sense and no difference to your market. THERE IS NO VALUE IN 2500 EMAILS TO A BUSINESS WITH 1-3 EMPLOYEES. Bottom Line: It's time for some new thinking about the next generation of marketing Web Solutions that offer true value to the market. Hosting is dead. Yours - Scott
Posted by freak, 02-04-2006, 11:44 PM
Sad thing is that people sign on, get burned, and come back here screaming: My stupid host sucks, and bla and bla and bla. But I really can't pay more than 10 dollars a month. Can someone recommend me something just as cheap and preferably cheaper?
Posted by tommyd, 02-06-2006, 03:27 AM
HostGator is pretty good, I am also happy with my Godaddy account. XpressAccess.com I am very happy with as well. Have accounts in all 3 places.
Posted by qwan, 02-08-2006, 09:58 AM
yes i agree that they oversell. But ipowerweb is one of the biggest hosting companies. What about yahoo.com and godaddy infact look at any of the premium shared hosting companies out there. With any of the reliable plan. Not some cheap plan i will have to over sell atleast 1000 times to sell a few 100 accounts. even on and 80gb dedicated server i will have to oversell atleast 20 times to recover just the server cost. I am begnining to see some kind of monopoly or bad business practice here. Maybe they are just lying but i dont see anyone complaining. Or maybe they maybe having some agreements with the top level data centres who are giving them some special rates. So that we just die down here. I mean take a look at any shared hosting company now. They are rates are just too low the have dropped their pricing like crazy. If they overselling that much their servers should be crashing all the time. Or the only explanation is all of their custormers are big idiots who see 10gb space for so less-buy it- and then only use a max of 500mb in that. Maybe we should start a site to check if they really have that much space. make a site like check your site.com where you just paste a code into your webpage and specify the remianing space in your account. And it should work like a P2P so once we upload that should go on uploading to other members and that way that can check their bandwidth also and fill their accounts and see if they really get that space. Ok i am talking crap now. Lets stick to the topic.
Posted by qwan, 02-09-2006, 10:51 PM
I just checked XpressAccess.com and from their site status i see that their mysql is down.
Posted by tommyd, 02-09-2006, 10:52 PM
THat is xternal montioring, last I knew they filtered out port 3306 from remote users so therefore it will show down on a remote test.
Posted by webhostingtime, 02-10-2006, 09:12 PM
resellers panel.com are very good. I haven't had any problems with them so far. I amalso signed upto their free reseller account and its great and unique. its the besy i've ever seen. you have no cost, you earn as you sell. And now they have launched their Liquid Plan Builder, which lets you create your custom packages and then just at a click of a button, it appears on your site. they provide 16 different templates which all get customized automatically depending on the packages you create. they handle all the billing and support, you just have to get the sale from your website. you can have a look at min, in my signiture
Posted by qwan, 03-22-2006, 02:38 AM
i think i am officially going to retire from this thread, because the main aim of this thread has not been fulfilled. I just wanted to know from the more experienced and knowledgable members over here is how can shared hosting companies give so much space. shared hosting costs have come down by almost 5000% Even major players are offering this. Their sites dont seem to be giving that much of a problem. So the main point was is has the hosting/bandwidth/co-location pricing come down overall. IF so then someone is not passing the buck down to the resellers. Or just confirm it that their overselling even top 10 hosts of the world are just overselling their accounts like crazy. Is that a confirmations. If it is confirmed then why are their servers not crashing. I started this thread because i think that maybe the server companies like nlayer, savvis, level3 or even evserver1 are giving some specail pricing to these host that give shared hosting for so cheap. Or maybe somebody who know about servers could comment on wether it is really possible to give that kind of pricing if you set up you own server with maybe 800 gb hardisks Well the discussion is gone off in a different direction. I appreciate the comment and the recomendations given by members. But none of the recomended hosting reseller plans offered will work out. There is not way i can give 10 gb of space and 200gb bandwidth if i even took the highes plans of any reseller infact i cannot even give such a plan if i took a vps or a dedicated server unless i reseel atleast 400%. Mybe then i could recover the cost of the servers.
Posted by ldcdc, 03-22-2006, 12:22 PM
I would say that the top 10 companies (in terms of number of cusotmers) would also be the one who would be able to sustain the highest levels of overselling, simply due to the true applicability of the law of large numbers. Employing advanced storage solutions can result in lower prices, but can only partially explain the very low level of the costs. The rest is explained by overselling. Because the vast majority of customers don't use anywhere close to what they're promised/offered. Most websites struggle to get a few thousands visitors per month, so this should be no real surprise. Nope, that's not it. It all boils down to how much a host can oversell when provising reseller hosting, and how much it can oversell when it provides shared hosting. Because resellers, on average, will tend to use high percents of what they're buying (especially true in the long run, as they get more customers), the host can't oversell as much. This is the main reason why, though it seemingly defies logic, shared hosting ends up being cheaper than reseller hosting when offered by that same provider, and why dedicated servers (falsely) appear to be highway robbery.
Posted by yourdomains.com, 03-22-2006, 04:55 PM
I am starting out in reselling and was wondering what companies you would recommend. I had a bad experience with AIT and was wondering who offers great deals like them with much better service?
Posted by Cyrus255, 03-22-2006, 05:20 PM
OMG HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?! SPAMZORS x 2!!! haha just kidding Actually, 1&1 has "cheaper" offers, if you're about the bottom line, fiscally. But Hosting is an industry where support is more important than money. As I've had entire sites get wiped, refusals to transfer a site, etc. I'd take customer support over cheap offers to lure you in anyday.
Posted by IHSL, 03-22-2006, 05:38 PM
Then companies will start to faulter even more, leaving more customers for service-oriented companies. This gave me a giggle. "Hosting is dead". A phrase that has been uttered since the 90's. It was as incorrect then as it is now. Hosting is far, far from dead. The hosting industry is ever-evolving. The gap between the budget hosts and the service-oriented companies is simply growing bigger. That is not always a bad thing, in any industry. As that gap grows, companies can choose a path for themselves; budget hosting, giving away everything for nothing in the hope of gaining such a gigantic client base that the possibility of meltdown becomes less. Alternatively, they can choose to be a service-oriented company, offering services and solutions at a price that allows them to grow, maintain a good size client base, and gaining customers that are not suited to the 'everything for nothing' model. The service oriented companies will undoubtedly be higher priced, but the customer can make that choice for themselves. Sometimes it is actually better to sell the steak Simon
Posted by Cyrus255, 03-22-2006, 05:42 PM
Well back in the 90's hosting died for me atleast. I lost my faith in the system after repetitive fraud. I mean it got so bad that I had to try to find ways to sue overseas hosting companies for STEALING my webpages and domains. But after all these years, I have begun to gain some faith back.
Posted by cartika-andrew, 03-22-2006, 05:48 PM
Agreed !!!! Web Hosting is no longer simply putting up a web page and giving some people personalized email addresses. The true value of the internet has yet to be realized (except by the very large corporations - and even they are not 100% of the way there). By utilizing web based solutions, companies can achieve real time business intelligence on every facet of their business - they can also achieve real time communication and collaboration amongst employees, vendors, customers, etc, regardless of physical location. The benefits to business are HUGE, and this is exactly the direction that hosting is headed. We are seeing a dramatic increase in Application Hosting - and we are also seeing many value based providers crumbling under the pressure of the resultant increased server loads. Some are attaching strict limits around # of mysql connections, queries, etc - others are simply failing to find a solution and are simply disposing of such clients. Simon, I too had a good chuckle over this one, especially when it followed the very insightful comment immediately before it. I will not bother re-iterating my opinion on this one - as Simon hit it bang on...
Posted by ItCom, 03-22-2006, 05:52 PM
Its easy people. Storage is cheap. 500G drives are available. Think about it, storage space is the end result of it all. The rest is just the conduit to get there and back. A SAN or storage area network can have as much as 8TB or 8000G in one 42U cab. Godaddy could easily absorb the cost of a SAN. The SAN allows you to dynamicly allocate space to whoever needs it. So, you sell like crazy KNOWING that not EVERYBODY is going to use what they are given. The SAN admin set up rules that if a user does push the limits at 80% capacity pull the difference from the unused pool. If the user leaves, absorb the storage back into the pool and if needed, reissue it back to a new or existing client. Simple... The SAN will also allow say GD to start out with say 2TB, have the capacity to grow to 8TB when needed, just add cheap in expensive SATA drives. The virtualization software automaticly sees the new capacity and adds it to the pool. Once again. Simple..
Posted by Cyrus255, 03-22-2006, 05:55 PM
So true... most webhosting companies use their storage as a lure. Sometimes it works... my best friend saw 1&1's 19.99/mo "Terrabyte" of bandwidth offer. And he was so enthralled he signed up.. While his usage is maybe a mere 15 gigs a month....
Posted by ldcdc, 03-22-2006, 08:05 PM
As simple as it might be, even with overselling considered, there is a limit to how cheap space can be sold. Besides, once you give people these huge allocations, they will tend to use more. A person with a digital camera can easily use GBs after GBs of space if he starts sharing high resolution images and video clips with his family/friends.
Posted by qwan, 03-29-2006, 10:39 AM
Thanks for the replies I have an insight i did my own research From ev1servers.net i found that it is possible. If i took an unmetered serice of 100mbps and upgraded my harddisks to 800gb you could breakeven at a price of around 6$ for 10GB space without overselling. There are many cheaper servers and even the monster server from eve1 and other reliable companies where you would not have to oversell the diskspace to give 10 GB for les than 7$ but the bandwidth offered is not more than 2000Gb on any of these servers. The bandwidth is the problem. If it is unmetered then you will have to setup a monster server and you can afford to breakeven at 4$ then i think if you oversold a little then you can actually run business but it is all about volumes youcan startoff a business with that pricing unless you have tons of capital to sustain untill manage to sing up that many customers. But no matter what you do you have oversell bandwidth like crazy.
Posted by Jay01, 03-29-2006, 01:06 PM
I had a good deal like that at a time, one time about 3 days ago! And what a load of rubbish it was! You really do get what you pay for! There server was nothing but rubbish and so much for 100MB connection to the net. I could have got a better speed from 56k modem.

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