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Posted by crazyfish, 12-04-2004, 07:19 PM
I have been looking at a reseller account and I like everything except that it doesn't include any dedicated ips, I can pay extra for them of course, but I am just wonder with only a small reseller account is it make much of a difference if I just use the shared ips for the hosting and the nameserver? How much would this affect performance? Say if someone is doing a ddos attack on that ip cause they hate someone else that on that ip that could kill my sites. (I know that a ded ip won't stop a ddos account but maybe it would limit it because less people use that one ip) What are your thoughts, I'm thinking I will just try it out and if I am not happy then get the ips, is that the best way? thanks
Posted by HunteR-TecH, 12-04-2004, 09:04 PM
Well Ive heard dedicated I.Ps can be worth 5-20 dollars a month.
Posted by Nick H, 12-04-2004, 09:16 PM
As for the DDoS part, as far as I've ever known, an attack affects a whole server not just an IP. Just my 2 cents. Probably wrong, but hey, maybe I'm right
Posted by Semi-Server, 12-04-2004, 10:52 PM
I've never seen a datacenter sell IPs at this price. Usually they charge about $1-2/month per IP... Also, a note to crazyfish, different IPs do not effect DOSS attacks. However, they do help in recongizing which site is being attacked.
Posted by Nick H, 12-04-2004, 11:05 PM
That's what I thought too--Guess i was rite
Posted by VER-Mo, 12-05-2004, 01:16 AM
Another plus is that if you want to use your own SSL certificate you'll need a Dedicated IP address. Ive found in my own experience though that the average person who signs up for a reseller account doesnt really need a Dedicated IP. I guess it cant hurt to have one though.
Posted by dollar, 12-05-2004, 03:21 AM
I get free IPs so long as they are justified with my dedicated server provider.
Posted by eSited, 12-05-2004, 03:27 AM
Dedicated Ips are mainly for SSL certificates
Posted by gwsolutions, 12-05-2004, 04:26 AM
Dedicated ip is also important for SEO purpose.
Posted by dollar, 12-05-2004, 04:27 AM
Being a reseller it's always best to have your dedicated IP if you don't want your clients to notice you have a reseller account.
Posted by VER-Mo, 12-05-2004, 08:28 AM
Well, yea, thats true.
Posted by mdrussell, 12-05-2004, 08:48 AM
Dedicated or shared ips don't make any difference for SEO... Companies (us included) charge for dedicated ips because of the prices involved in running the ip space - not just provisioning of them, but the management too. Managing tens of thousands of ips can be a time consuming process.
Posted by catfished, 12-05-2004, 04:14 PM
Wouldn't a dedicated IP keep you off the spam blacklists? In other words if I have a reseller account with a shared IP and anyone using that IP does a big spamming campaign, won't everyone using that IP be blacklisted? Whereas if I had a dedicated IP for my reseller account, only my sites spamming could cause it to be on the blacklist?
Posted by dkitchen, 12-05-2004, 04:59 PM
No it isn't, it has no effect at all. A dedicated IP doesn't really have any use apart from being anonymous, but lets face it reseller and shared hosting is hardly anonymous, you can easily pull a servers hostname, etc. In the event of a DDOS, all traffic is going at the same interface, so no matter what IP you've got you'll still be effected. When a server sends mail out it comes from it's main ip anyway, so no if a server is blacklisted, everyone on it will be effected. Dan
Posted by catfished, 12-05-2004, 05:08 PM
Thanks for the clarification Dan. I was hoping otherwise. That really sucks!! There should be more ways to single out the spammers so all the innocent people don't get penalized. Oh well
Posted by JohnCrowley, 12-05-2004, 05:11 PM
Unless the datacenter null routes the shared IP you are on with the person who is targeted by the DOS/DDOS, then you're SOL. With a unique IP, it can often allow you to be spared from this occurence. The rest that you stated I agree with. - John C.
Posted by dkitchen, 12-05-2004, 05:26 PM
Never thought about that, but could most datacentres be bothered to do that? Dan
Posted by JohnCrowley, 12-05-2004, 05:33 PM
It is common to do if one IP is being attacked to allow the rest of the server to continue operating. It is easy for a datacenter to null route an IP at the router/border level. We've done it a few times when sites get attacked. - John C.
Posted by Jim_UK, 12-06-2004, 10:31 AM
John is right. We allocate one IP per reseller account which all accounts hosted by that reseller will share (with each reseller's accounts sharing that reseller's IP). Not only does this make the target of attacks easier to recognise, it allows us to turn down just that IP which will take all the accounts hosted by that reseller offline but keep all other accounts (hosted by other resellers) online and running fine.

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