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Posted by boonchuan, 06-11-2004, 11:15 PM
I have seen several of such ads, just curious anyone using them? Any prob? For such reseller accounts, it is even better getting them than a dedicated server. If it lasts..........
Posted by snickn, 06-11-2004, 11:15 PM
There's no such thing as unlimited space.
Posted by Matt, 06-11-2004, 11:34 PM
Unlimited space offers are a scam.....period. There is no such thing as an unlimited hard drive.
Posted by The3bl, 06-12-2004, 12:27 AM
Personally I think you ought to go for it and set up 20000 domains right away. In fact since it is unlimited everything give a few thousand 20 gig plans away to everyone on the net.
Posted by boonchuan, 06-12-2004, 06:22 AM
Haha thinking of doing that but I am a small host, all add up together also wont have 20k. Suggest someone try this out on those who offer such unlimited plans....post your findings here, I am really curious. Been struggling with paying for bandwidth and rack space.
Posted by freak, 06-12-2004, 07:20 AM
Well, normally they boot you off once you use more than a particular amount of space...
Posted by Bashar, 06-12-2004, 07:55 AM
reminds me of old simplenet account $10 for unlimited and when you reach 2gb or so they email you saying we have a term that says 'you may not exceed 2% of total server resources' POOF you're suspended
Posted by ldcdc, 06-12-2004, 08:12 AM
And you will do so in the future too. You have to spend money to make money.
Posted by boonchuan, 06-13-2004, 06:38 AM
Dun remind me : ( Singapore bandwidth is still so expensive.
Posted by Imago, 06-13-2004, 06:59 AM
There is no such thing as unlimited information one can put on a disk. The space will be always unlimited for my limited capacities. It is the same as with the beer drinking contest. There is unlimited beer for you to drink. :-)
Posted by boonchuan, 06-13-2004, 09:15 AM
I know I know but a lot of clients dunno, been losing such clients to my competitors unlimited bandwidth and unlimited domains. But I cant in all good conscience put such "offers" on my site.
Posted by kylebacc, 06-13-2004, 09:57 AM
I know I sould like the oddball and I used to be like you guys to. I donno if you ever heard of IntegrityHost but they have a reseller account for $179/yr with unlimited space and bandwidth. I thought it was a scam as well but I have since tried them out and love it. They have extremly fast servers that can handle rapidly growing resellers. Also someone mentioned before that there are no unlimited hard drive...then whose to say you can't ad another HD? Or hell how about 9 more? Anyway this is just my new thinking on the matter. Now of course that doesn't mean go out and buy any unlimited plan, I am just speaking from expireance of just IntergrityHost.
Posted by webhoststalk, 06-13-2004, 01:44 PM
not at all possible, Coz Bandwidth prices.
Posted by Matt, 06-13-2004, 01:49 PM
Start using 100 TB's a month or more of bandwidth with "integrity" and come back and tell us unlimited really exists. After all....unlimited is unlimited. You should be able to use 100+ TB/month on your $14.92/month unlimited account if you wanted too. There is no limit in unlimited Sure you can add more drives, but servers can only be so large. Eventually you would need a farm....and good luck getting an unlimited provider to build one for you. If you are able to find one, please let us know Last edited by Matt; 06-13-2004 at 01:52 PM.
Posted by kylebacc, 06-13-2004, 02:07 PM
ok fine you win, im just saying... i know what you are saying it true and all...just integrity host does a good job of holding up to their name
Posted by cywkevin, 06-13-2004, 02:27 PM
Look it's not just the harddrive adding. CPU and ram can only handle soo much too.
Posted by kylebacc, 06-13-2004, 02:39 PM
Well they run Quad Xeons but yea i understand where your coming from
Posted by boonchuan, 06-14-2004, 09:20 AM
I found another offer, pay about US$150 get unlimited everything for life!
Posted by code_renegade, 06-14-2004, 09:42 AM
I'd never go with a host who offers that, boonchuan. I bet that within a few days, you'll never hear from these guys ever again
Posted by kylebacc, 06-14-2004, 09:53 AM
boonchuan if something happens dont come back to me and tell me that i told you to get something like that...all i said wasthe integ one was good...
Posted by reanncw, 06-14-2004, 10:41 AM
One thing i hate most is, people who get shell accounts and learn linux the wrong way and start offering hosting. They are completely destabilizing the hosting industry. And some of them call themselves experts! Atrocious!
Posted by neednewhost, 07-13-2004, 06:03 AM
You may want to tell that to all the dial-ups (EarthLink, and virtually every other ISP) that sell unlimited plans, and all the long distance companies that sell unlimited long distance. Trying using an "unlimited" long distance plan to dial a long distance ISP number, and you will be told you can't. Trying going to the FCC and complain and they will laugh at your naiveté. Using the term "unlimited," even though there are restrictions, is perfectly legal and a long accepted marketing strategy. Now tell me that you don't really think a "bottomless" cup of coffee has no bottom?
Posted by neednewhost, 07-13-2004, 06:08 AM
So do you mean to tell me that you have space reserved for all the plans you have sold even if they aren't using all of it? I believe it is customary to assume that not all your clients will use all of their space, so how is that any diffrent?
Posted by IHSL, 07-13-2004, 06:17 AM
When accompanied with a disclaimer, that explains just exactly why the offering of unlimited isn't literally unlimited - then it's sleezy, but borderline legal (depending on the location of the disclaimer). You'll find that the ISP's you referenced there, do that exact thing - it's normally hidden in the fine print - just so that they can say that "you read, and agreed to those terms", but it is there. Legally, it has to be. Only one of of ten hosting companies that I see offering unlimited disk space and/or transfer traffic, has this type of clause - hence, they are breaking trading laws. Fair trade acts are in place for a reason - one of the many reasons is to stamp out false advertising. If a company is advertising that they can give you "unlimited disk space", and do not accompany it with a disclaimer, then they are false advertising. Extract from consumer law help manual: Simon
Posted by neednewhost, 07-13-2004, 06:29 AM
Of course, if they do not explain their "unlimited" plan in the fine print then they are guilty of deceptive trade tactics. Most companies have very long terms of service agreements that if you read, you will realize they retain all rights to pretty much do as they please. If you agree to those terms, then you can't complain. In business, few things are so simple that they don't require a terms of service agreement to spell it out. As the saying goes, the devils in the details. If you don't read the details, and use some common sense, you won't get very far in the real world.
Posted by boonchuan, 07-13-2004, 07:53 AM
kylebacc dun worry for hosting servers I only put in the most stable datacentres, not only do I check the bandwidth and infrastructure, I go through their finances and yearly reports. Anyone with unlimited or unmetered or automatically discarded. Unlimited impossible , unmetered my personal opinion a little irresponsible.
Posted by iGravity, 07-13-2004, 12:02 PM
I love how when someone posts unlimited space, 2 community liasons post first That is cool
Posted by PMH-Steve, 07-13-2004, 01:37 PM
I think that a host can offer unlimited domain hosting meaning there is no set limit on the amount of domains a person can host but they are still limited by disk space, bandwidth etc. Saying unlimited disk and bandwidth is a scam IMO as it's all fine and dandy when they use 10 GB a month of bandwidth but put a site like template monster on one of those plans and watch how quick they get dropped. It's just not feasible to offer unlimited bandwidth unless it's one of those "unlimited as long as you don't use more then your share" deals. (note the very sarcastic laughter) Personally I see unlimited disk and bandwidth the same as a neon sign with 100 foot letters saying "STAY AWAY FROM THIS HOST".
Posted by neednewhost, 07-13-2004, 01:55 PM
I guess if thier clients are happy and they are aware of what it is or isn't, that is all that matters. I think many hosts are just upset at being outdone by another host. When I go to an all-you-can-eat buffet I know there are some restrictions even though they are not outlined in a TOS agreement. Anytime you pay for hosting on a month to month basis, you have to realize that you can be cancelled at anytime for any reason. Just as a restraunt can ask you to leave at anytime they choose. I think the unlimited concept would work for regular webhosting clients, but I have to admit it is a bit different when it is offered for a reseller plan. By their very nature, reseller accounts can be huge. Regular web hosting clients on the other hand only use what they need for their website. There are always exceptions which should be spelled out in a TOS. Many ISP's and Long Distance companies offer "unlimited" plans but there are restrictions (i.e. limited to "normal use" ect.).
Posted by rmMark1, 07-13-2004, 03:33 PM
I read somewhere and cant find it at this time, the FCC will be starting to crack down on this soon. When I can find the link I will post back with it.
Posted by neednewhost, 07-13-2004, 07:52 PM
Uh huh... As long as it is listed in a TOS, it is not illegal and the FCC would have no jusrisdiction. They could not "crack down" unless the full terms were not disclosed.
Posted by Shaw Networks, 07-14-2004, 01:43 AM
Avoid these hosts at all prices, there is simply no such thing as unlimited HD space and unlimited bandwidth. If there was, the whole world would just buy from this person and hosting would cost fractions of a penny
Posted by rkyler, 07-15-2004, 10:20 AM
Web Hosting Companies that advertise "Unlimited Bandwidth" are giving out false information. In our long history, we have never seen any broadband company offering an internet connection as "Unlimited Megabytes Per Second." So, how could a Web Hosting Company, which normally doesn't even own its own access lines, advertise to customers that it will give them "UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH?" These Web Hosting Companies are lying to the public by placing ads on search engines and hosting directories to attract customers. Most of the time, high bandwidth sites on these "Unlimited" plans will be disconnected, and no refund given. Normally, the Web Hosting Company will say that the site violated its Acceptable Use Policy or Terms of Service. In Today's world, the average gigabyte of bandwidth ranges from $0.50 to $20.00. If a "high bandwidth" site (i.e. 200 Gigs per month) where to sign up for an "Unlimited Bandwidth" plan, it would end up costing the Web Hosting Company anywhere from $100.00 to $4000.00 to maintain these "high bandwidth" sites. Yet, most of these Web Hosting Companies only charge less than $20.00 per month. How can this be? Whenever you visit a site promoting "Unlimited Bandwidth" as one of the account features, be sure to visit the Acceptable Use Policy, or the Terms of Service. Read the fine text about the so-called "Unlimited" disclaimer, you will be surprised! We have noticed that many hosts are now using a theory that not all customers will use the same amounts of bandwidth, meaning that they will be able to provide customers that use bandwidth, the extra needed. That is true, but what happens if the host has many customers that seem to be using over the bandwidth averages?
Posted by neednewhost, 07-15-2004, 10:58 AM
Without some other limits or restrictions, that is correct. The same applies to 'Unlimited" emails, "Unlimited" long distance, "Unlimited" dialup hours etc.. There is no actual "bottomless" cup of coffee either nor is there a real all-you-can-eat buffet. Not many hosts can say they don't use the term "Unlimited" though, but being hypocrites is a world past-time.

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