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Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 10:52 AM
hello can someone suggest a good full management service with the same price as platinumservermanagement? They are so weird. I signed up with them and they rejected me according to the Thanks for signing up, but unfortunately upon reviewing your account based on your past experience with us, we are unable to activate your account. We have cancelled and refunded your payment already. Thank you, John PSM This is the first time I signed up with them, heck, i dont understand what they meant with "past experience with us" this is so discriminating!

Posted by bear, 01-21-2009, 11:04 AM
Did you ask them to explain? Obviously they feel you've used them before.

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 11:06 AM
yes i did reply. no reply back yet

Posted by ServerManagement, 01-21-2009, 11:15 AM
You only emailed us "9 Minutes" ago. I hardly consider that sufficient time for a sales reply. But since you wish to discuss it here, I'll reply to you here instead. The reason why we refused to setup your account is because you used our service last month to setup, harden, and optimize your service and as soon as we were done, you said our service is great but you don't need support anymore and demanded a refund. Our refund guarantee is a satisfaction guarantee only, and since you clearly were satisfied, we deserve to get paid for the support we provided. We will not accept a customer that abuses our service like this, and I hope this serves as a word of caution to anyone else who accepts this customer.

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 11:18 AM
PSM, I havent signed up for your service yet. this is the first time i signed up! someone might have signed up under my email but i havent had any servers yet until now!

Posted by ServerManagement, 01-21-2009, 11:26 AM
At 8:31AM 1/20/09 we replied to a signup saying we refused the order. Then just 1 Hour later at 9:49AM 1/20/09 someone signed up with a different name for the same exact server ip address. It's almost impossible that there are 2 completely unrelated people with the same exact server ip address that just happened to signed up 1 Hour apart.

Posted by JFSG, 01-21-2009, 11:31 AM
At 8:31AM 1/20/09 we replied to a signup saying we refused the order. Then just 1 Hour later at 9:49AM 1/20/09 someone signed up with a different name for the same exact server ip address. It's almost impossible that there are 2 completely unrelated people with the same exact server ip address that just happened to signed up 1 Hour apart. Now that sounds fishy! However, just for you to take note, some of us have shared proxy IPs from our ISP(eg. Singapore ISPs love to do this....)

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 11:33 AM
the IP here in our country is shared and dynamic we are not assigned a unique ip address everytime we log in. and surprisingly enough, i am from southeast asia basically i am telling you the truth. why would i lie? I signed up with you because i know you have a good reputation and also the server i bought from superspecialservers.com recommended you. I just bought it last Sunday/Monday and they recommended me to sign up with you. i dont scam people.

Posted by ServerManagement, 01-21-2009, 11:34 AM
the IP here in our country is shared and dynamic we are not assigned a unique ip address everytime we log in. and surprisingly enough, i am from southeast asia To clarify, I meant they signed up for support on the same server ip. The actual server they want us to support had the same exact server ip as the previous order from 1 hour before. I'm not referring to his isp ip.

Posted by ServerManagement, 01-21-2009, 11:47 AM
You can check the list at http://www.webhostingtalk.com/wiki/Server_management for other server management companies

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 11:51 AM
To clarify, I meant they signed up for support on the same server ip. The actual server they want us to support had the same exact server ip as the previous order from 1 hour before. I'm not referring to his isp ip. i dont know but it might be the DC or superspecialservers.com but not me. i havent been your client before. never as this is the first time i own a server and the first time i send payment which you refunded for reason that's not clear to me. oh and by the way that's conflicting. you said: The reason why we refused to setup your account is because you used our service last month to setup, harden, and optimize your service and as soon as we were done, you said our service is great but you don't need support anymore and demanded a refund. you mentioned LAST MONTH. you have several conflicting statements. how did you know i used your service LAST MONTH? if you are taking it by server ip then it must be the PREVIOUS owner of the server since i just purchased it last Sunday/Monday.

Posted by ServerManagement, 01-21-2009, 12:02 PM
There is nothing conflicting about what I said at all. I will repeat it again as clear as possible. I said that you used our service "last" month and that is when you requested the refund. Now you signed up again yesterday and we refused to set it up for the reason I explained above. The server ip that we refused "yesterday" was the same server ip that you signed up with 1 hour before. I am not comparing the ip with the signup from last month. I am comparing it with the signup from 1 hour before.

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 12:10 PM
There is nothing conflicting about what I said at all. I will repeat it again as clear as possible. I said that you used our service "last" month and that is when you requested the refund. Now you signed up again yesterday and we refused to set it up for the reason I explained above. The server ip that we refused "yesterday" was the same server ip that you signed up with 1 hour before. I am not comparing the ip with the signup from last month. I am comparing it with the signup from 1 hour before. thats what exactly what im trying to say. I did not signed up for your service last month because i only got to have my own dedi last Sunday/Monday bottomline, i dont want to start a fight with you or something. i just want to prove im not the customer you were referring to and i want to avail of your service. in fact i would also sign up for the monitoring service only in a few months after this only if you accepted me i even talked to your sales rep yesterday and the other day because i was so interested.

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 02:08 PM
You can check the list at http://www.webhostingtalk.com/wiki/Server_management for other server management companies thanks for the suggestions though

Posted by headbull, 01-21-2009, 02:43 PM
PlatinumServerManagement Have you looked into if he maybe got the same IP adress of a former client on the DC that you had a bad relationship with ? I mean: Does the "1-month" order contain the same name/adress/contact details as one or both of the new orders ?

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 02:46 PM
anyway just to prove, i bought the dedi from here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=5514517 and you can check the posts on that thread, i just sent payment last 01-19-2009, 05:37 PM you can check my post there

Posted by ServerManagement, 01-21-2009, 02:50 PM
PlatinumServerManagement Have you looked into if he maybe got the same IP adress of a former client on the DC that you had a bad relationship with ? I mean: Does the "1-month" order contain the same name/adress/contact details as one or both of the new orders ? Thanks for your reply, but I'm not referring to the 1 month old order. I am saying that the signup from 8:31AM 1/20/09 and the signup from 9:49AM 1/20/09 (which was only 1 hour later) was for the same server ip address. Also, he said here that he got the server on Monday 1/19/09, and he signed up with us on 1/20/09 which was Tuesday, so it's clear that he owned the server at the time of both signups.

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 02:57 PM
i dont understand what youre trying to prove PSM. you said the problem was about requesting for refund one month ago by someone who requested you to harden and setup everything. now you are telling that the real problem is about having 2 people sign up with the same ips. so which is which? i only signed up once. that i can HONESTLY tell. but i dont understand what your problem with 2 people signing up for you where you rejected both. how is that a big issue? and how is that the real reason for rejecting someone signing up with you?

Posted by ServerManagement, 01-21-2009, 03:07 PM
i dont understand what youre trying to prove PSM. you said the problem was about requesting for refund one month ago by someone who requested you to harden and setup everything. now you are telling that the real problem is about having 2 people sign up with the same ips. so which is which? i only signed up once. that i can HONESTLY tell. but i dont understand what your problem with 2 people signing up for you where you rejected both. how is that a big issue? and how is that the real reason for rejecting someone signing up with you? I will clarify this again. Someone signed up last month, used our service, said our service is great but didn't need management anymore and demanded a refund. The same person with the same name, same address, same email, etc. signed up again yesterday and was refused at 8:31AM 1/20/09. Then someone with a different name signed up just 1 Hour later at 9:49AM 1/20/09 for support on the same exact server ip. This is not a coincidence. It is the same person. That is why we still refused the order. I think I have been very clear so far and have clarified it even further in this reply. I don't think this needs any further discussion. If you had any questions about our decision, you should have discussed it with us directly, not here. You emailed us but 9 Minutes later you posted here, so it's clear you had no desire to discuss it with us directly.

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 03:10 PM
this is the time i signed up From: service@intl.paypal.com Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:00 PM Subject: Subscription Receipt for Server Management & Monitoring - Terms of Service: http://www.platinumservermanagement.com/TOS.html i dont know who the other person that signed up for you. As i said in my previous reply, it could be the DC or the company where i bought my server who actually recommended you to me. by the way, that time reflects my timezone GMT+8 the place where i bought my server, superspecialservers.com, told that they will sign up for me at PSM. after that they informed me that i should sign up myself so maybe they were the first ones to sign up. I dont know how i can prove myself here but im innocent with your accusations! and i honestly do not know who signed up with the same ip as mine. I am as puzzled as you are

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 04:07 PM
EDIT POST ABOVE: I contacted my server provider. and this is what they told me: Yes we tried to sign up the server on behalf of you as our customer and give you individual logins and we received a response that they don't want to sign up. We assumed that they do not want us to sign up on behalf of you as the customer for the server and give you account access so we refunded you, covered you the difference so that you can open the account and login to your account directly and manage it. so that's what i did after. I signed up obviously for the same server ip. My server provider did this because they thought the reason you dont want them to sign up (aka rejected them) is because yuo dont want someone else signing up for someone and just give the latter a login to your customer panel.

Posted by Mike - Limestone, 01-21-2009, 07:27 PM
EDIT POST ABOVE: I contacted my server provider. and this is what they told me: so that's what i did after. I signed up obviously for the same server ip. My server provider did this because they thought the reason you dont want them to sign up (aka rejected them) is because yuo dont want someone else signing up for someone and just give the latter a login to your customer panel. Did your server provider have an issue with PSM -- e.g. potentially abused the refund guarantee as PSM seemed to state? Perhaps PSM feels that you're now trying to circumvent the provider block on that certain server? -mike

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 10:59 PM
Hi Mike, I asked them to reply to this thread. i just hope they do. they update the support ticket i logged though. this is what they told me As per our records we had requested management for a server 2 months ago not with this same IP. The customer then decided he had other plans so we told them that since the customer decided he did not need the management that we wished to remove the server from the account. So they said that they would cancel the server and refund the payment which they did. They had only done the hardening on that server and that was probably it. As for the other person they mention who signed up that was us yesterday on your behalf which we already explained. In all cases what is their problem with who signs up since the person who supplies the login credentials to a server is the one who is using it. They cannot even manage the server unless they have root access and the only person who can provide that is the person using the server.

Posted by emsjs, 01-21-2009, 11:36 PM
also why do they "punish" someone for someone else's doing? i dont know but if they really value their clients and potential clients, they should have investigated and dig further than coming up with hasty conclusions that is purely based on biased judgment. just my opinion.

Posted by marisc, 01-22-2009, 12:45 AM
I totally agree with PSM. If someone signed up with me for domain123.com and I refused the order, then an hour later someone else signed up for the same domain, I would still refuse the order. Anyway this is an issue between you and them, you should discuss it with them over email. They said here that you did not even want to wait 10 minutes for a reply to your email, that's just crazy. Now after you spent all day complaining here, I don't expect them to process your signup now, and I don't blame them, I wouldn't either. Just drop it already and move on. Good luck with what ever you do.

Posted by emsjs, 01-22-2009, 12:50 AM
marisc, i actually moved on and i dont intend to be hosted by them after what they did to me which is complete unreasonable for any client i would say, but i cannot just keep quiet after what has done to me. this is what this forum is all about right? write reviews to hosts and other providers. i dont know if its 10 minutes or what but im not sure if they will even reply to my query if i didnt take it here. they dont trust me that i wasnt the customer they were referring to and i dont trust them either that they will respond to me if i wont take it here knowing how powerful WHT is. oh and i wont be surprised if you agree with PSM. checked your posts and youve been a client of theirs no wonder you'd defend them. but in any case, i would definitely not recommend PSM to my friends and right now i dont intend in my wildest dreams to get their service even though currently i now have 5 servers, but that does not mean that i wont write my own personal experience with them here in WHT.

Posted by 3-rx, 01-22-2009, 01:47 PM
emsjs do you work at PSM? :-) U did great promotion for PSM.

Posted by emsjs, 01-22-2009, 01:53 PM
what is that? bad or good publicity stil publicity eh? no i wrote my review. and i believe what my server provider is telling me. in fact according to my server provider they did not demanded for a refund contrary to what PSM was babbling here (who' the liar eh?). exact words of my server provider: No one obliged them to refund the service and my server provider is indeed very sorry for troubling me since they were the ones who suggested to me to sign up with PSM, unlike PSM who doesnt investigate first before accusing of somebody and maybe a suggestion to PSM too, when they reject someone, they should also inform the client the reason why they are rejected to avoid fuming the client. it helps, well that is, if they really care about their clients. Or they only care about their profit? sorry if my words seem harsh but that's my review of my experience with them. and i already found a BETTER server management provider-someone FRIENDLY to their customers and do not give false accusations.

Posted by Thales, 01-22-2009, 02:18 PM
what is that? bad or good publicity stil publicity eh? no i wrote my review. and i believe what my server provider is telling me. in fact according to my server provider they did not demanded for a refund contrary to what PSM was babbling here (who' the liar eh?). exact words of my server provider: and my server provider is indeed very sorry for troubling me since they were the ones who suggested to me to sign up with PSM, unlike PSM who doesnt investigate first before accusing of somebody and maybe a suggestion to PSM too, when they reject someone, they should also inform the client the reason why they are rejected to avoid fuming the client. it helps, well that is, if they really care about their clients. Or they only care about their profit? sorry if my words seem harsh but that's my review of my experience with them. and i already found a BETTER server management provider-someone FRIENDLY to their customers and do not give false accusations. Perhaps you should look at it from their perspective. They had someone abuse their refund guarantee, then they received two consecutive sign ups for the same server; one that shared the same customer details as the individual who abused their refund policy. Would you be suspicious in their situation? As far as I can see you've provided them no information to the contrary, just repeated denial that it wasn't you. They aren't stealing from you, they aren't scamming you and they aren't an evil company. They are choosing to not do business with you which is their right and doesn't warrant a negative review. Good luck with your other provider. I'm glad PSM didn't fold simply because you posted a thread on WHT, they exercised their right to not service someone they believe to be trying to burn them. -fin Thales

Posted by emsjs, 01-22-2009, 02:20 PM
im trying to look at their perspective srvive.com but have they tried to look into mine also? have they tried to investigate further? i dont think so oh and when i posted my review here, i dont intend for PSM to sign me up. so i dont understand what you meant with "simply fold" simply fold to what? I lost interest but that does not mean i will not post or share what happened to me. Im posting my experience. they answered back so i answered back too. what im trying to say now is if they reject customers, they inform them the reasons also. I mean, they are sending "rejection emails" why cant they state the reasons also in that email so client would know. is that hard to do?? if clients are well informed, they wont be fumed. im a client of several hosting companies and several dedi server provider and i host some small sites too. Clients always loved being "in the loop" and not keeping them in the dark. and thanks for wishing me luck

Posted by Thales, 01-22-2009, 02:38 PM
im trying to look at their perspective srvive.com but have they tried to look into mine also? have they tried to investigate further? i dont think so oh and when i posted my review here, i dont intend for PSM to sign me up. so i dont understand what you meant with "simply fold" simply fold to what? I lost interest but that does not mean i will not post or share what happened to me. Im posting my experience. they answered back so i answered back too. what im trying to say now is if they reject customers, they inform them the reasons also. I mean, they are sending "rejection emails" why cant they state the reasons also in that email so client would know. is that hard to do?? if clients are well informed, they wont be fumed. im a client of several hosting companies and several dedi server provider and i host some small sites too. Clients always loved being "in the loop" and not keeping them in the dark. and thanks for wishing me luck 1) They don't have to investigate further. You've given them no proof that they aren't correct. 2) What were your motives in fighting it then? You brought the issue to light not them, you couldn't wait more than 10 minutes for a reply and so you posted incomplete information that required you to "clear your name". Even though I think most people could care less that PSM thinks you're trying to burn them again. 3) In their response they gave you a reason; "Your past experience with us". They provided you with a refund and therefore you were not a client, they owed you nothing beyond telling you why they weren't accepting you and a refund. Both were rendered pretty quickly by the looks of it. -fin THALES

Posted by emsjs, 01-22-2009, 03:14 PM
1) They don't have to investigate further. You've given them no proof that they aren't correct. 2) What were your motives in fighting it then? You brought the issue to light not them, you couldn't wait more than 10 minutes for a reply and so you posted incomplete information that required you to "clear your name". Even though I think most people could care less that PSM thinks you're trying to burn them again. 3) In their response they gave you a reason; "Your past experience with us". They provided you with a refund and therefore you were not a client, they owed you nothing beyond telling you why they weren't accepting you and a refund. Both were rendered pretty quickly by the looks of it. -fin THALES my initial motive was to look for an alternative to PSM but where else can i go but WHT? In posting the search, i have to share the reason why im looking for server management company other than PSM. I didnt wait for their answers because i dont even know if they will respond to me or not. when someone asked if i already asked PSM, I just answered the truth - i did ask but i havent received reply yet. I dont have the habit of tracking time - how many minutes have passed since I asked a particular person. Did I mention anything like, "yes i replied an hour ago but no reply yet", i just said "yes i did reply but no reply yet" (something like that) in which as of that time, i havent received any reply yet. When PSM answered back, the tone of their reply seems very accusing. So I replied back with my side of the story. and he even mentioned "I hope this serves as a word of caution to anyone else who accepts this customer." what was that for? I think that is so uncalled for. PSM, accusing of someone and even up to the extent of saying such words is beyond the line. Of course I need to tell my side of the story too after seeing those from PSM. I need to tell what really happened because I dont have in a slightest idea what he was trying to say and why he would say something like that. if you think people would care less, why are you so affected then? im sorry but actually its people like you who are trying to make this a big issue. I dont reply or post something to this thread if someone does not ask or reply something. im entitled to my side of the story, dont you think? "your past experience with us" is not a reason. how could you tell someone you do NOT know "your past experience with us" without elaborating what that means. its a complete vague statement. so i see that a company seem to care less on their potential customers who's interested with them, signed up, eager to be with them, interested in their service because they believe in them, and then they will refund and tell the customer "oh you were never a client." and on top of that, accuse that the customer is something to be "cautioned for".. hmmm... good company-customers relationship i think. and for the record, i dont want to fight with PSM or with you either. PSM replied with the details so i replied back with my story.

Posted by CloudSolutions, 01-22-2009, 03:20 PM
I would suggest about phantomnoc.com pretty much same as PSM just support all major OS and control panels. good luck within your choice!

Posted by emsjs, 01-22-2009, 03:21 PM
I would suggest about phantomnoc.com pretty much same as PSM just support all major OS and control panels. good luck within your choice! thank you so much for suggesting! will check that out

Posted by JFSG, 01-23-2009, 04:00 AM
what is that? bad or good publicity stil publicity eh?I will say neither. no i wrote my review. and i believe what my server provider is telling me. in fact according to my server provider they did not demanded for a refund contrary to what PSM was babbling here (who' the liar eh?).You believe your server provider and not PSM when you have not get any of the facts right yet? "According to your provider" Sorry, shouldn't they even provide some form of evidence first? exact words of my server provider: and my server provider is indeed very sorry for troubling me since they were the ones who suggested to me to sign up with PSM, unlike PSM who doesnt investigate first before accusing of somebodyThey did their job to investigate their own database instead of investigating yours, as it is a total waste of time and trouble, besides, results aren't guaranteed. They did their part. Unless you can provide any evidence that is useful and proves you right, PSM is in the right currently. and maybe a suggestion to PSM too, when they reject someone, they should also inform the client the reason why they are rejected to avoid fuming the client. it helps, well that is, if they really care about their clients. Or they only care about their profit?They have all the right to reject anybody, as anybody's TOS has. They are not required to provide any reason, even if you ask. sorry if my words seem harsh but that's my review of my experience with them.This is not a review, as you have not experienced their service at all. Besides, your words aren't trustworthy when you are having many different thoughts at different point of time. This is more like a misunderstanding or problem with your host instead. And again, this is not and can never be a review. and i already found a BETTER server management provider-someone FRIENDLY to their customers and do not give false accusations.How can you say these when you are with your new provider for no longer than 3 days? How are they "better" and not giving "false accusations"? You can prove everything in 3 days? Oh c'mon, lets face reality. im trying to look at their perspective srvive.com but have they tried to look into mine also? have they tried to investigate further? i dont think soYou are trying, but you did not, since all your post clearly told us so. As mentioned before, why should they investigate further, and how are they going to investigate further? Are you going to pay them /hr fees to investigate something that isn't really going to have any result out of it, and serve no purpose to them? oh and when i posted my review here, i dont intend for PSM to sign me up. so i dont understand what you meant with "simply fold" simply fold to what? I lost interest but that does not mean i will not post or share what happened to me. Im posting my experience. they answered back so i answered back too.Again, this is not a review. I don't think they are interested in having you as a client when you obviously posted something negative without solid proof. My guess will be that "simple fold" means PSM is going to fold without you, but obviously not. what im trying to say now is if they reject customers, they inform them the reasons also. I mean, they are sending "rejection emails" why cant they state the reasons also in that email so client would know. is that hard to do??They had clearly stated the reason anyway, which is previously the same person who had signed up for their service and was satisfied but requested for a refund and so on. The rejection mails are usually automated. if clients are well informed, they wont be fumed. im a client of several hosting companies and several dedi server provider and i host some small sites too. Clients always loved being "in the loop" and not keeping them in the dark.You have not been a client right from the start, you are just going to be one, however, rejected. If you have hundreds if not thousands of customers, will you be interested in doing all these "informing" stuffs when everything is clearly stated in the TOS? This is quoted from PSM's TOS (http://www.platinumservermanagement.com/TOS.html), which I believe you have not read clearly or at all. Refusal of Service Platinum Server Management, Inc. reserves the right at its sole discretion to refuse or cancel service. Violation of any of Platinum Server Management, Inc.'s Rules and Regulations could result in a warning, suspension, or possible account termination. Accounts may be terminated for any or no reason at all without any prior notice to the customer. Accounts terminated due to policy violations will not be refunded. I had highlighted the important factors in red.



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