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Posted by woodp, 02-15-2007, 12:14 PM
Presently, I have 10 shared accounts at one host. They're on a mix of legacy and newer plans and I'd like to consolidate them into one account. My present host offers a reseller plan but they don't permit one IP address per account. Or 10 IP addresses in my case. I don't need much bandwidth nor storage (<2GB) but I do need separate IPs. And my 10 shared accounts run roughly $90/mo right now. Are there any recommendations for reseller hosting with individual IPs? I need WHM/CPanel, SSH, and MySQL but really don't need billing support.

Posted by IHSL, 02-15-2007, 12:29 PM
Are the IP's for use with SSL or anonymous FTP? Otherwise, your 10 IP request might hit a snag with most providers. Simon

Posted by TonyB, 02-15-2007, 12:31 PM
What exactly is the reason for needing an IP per site? Most hosts now require a reason for needing the IP (SSL is the prime reason).

Posted by jhadley, 02-15-2007, 12:35 PM
Extra IPs tend to cost $1-$2.50 extra per month. If you are prepared to pay this in addition to the package price (which would still be a saving on $90) you MAY have to justify their use.

Posted by woodp, 02-15-2007, 12:37 PM
Simon, you hit the nail on the head! I've only found one that would accept my request so far. No, I have periodic RBL problems (and even one DoS attack where my host just shut me down for two weeks) and I don't want one blacklist taking out all my accounts ... but my requirements are few and I pay good money. Seems someone would want my business ... (Side note: I used the WHT "Find a Host" service and specifically stated my ten IP request. I received seven email and two phone responses within minutes. Not one had read the ten IP requirement. Should I publish a "Hall of Shame" page for these nine?)

Posted by woodp, 02-15-2007, 12:44 PM
TonyB, I think I already answered the question, but in case ... A couple of my domains seem to be popular among the spamming community, and I seem to end up on blacklists periodically. My host takes care of it quickly (Thank You!) but I don't want one domain taking out another. Second problem is that I became a victim of a DoS attack last year and all my host could do was pull the domain off-line. I was non-existent for two weeks. Again, I hate to have one domain take all of them down. What has frustrated me so far is that most hosts advertise multiple IPs - I send in a ticket and sales confirms multiple IPs - But then I sign up for an account and ... Oops! Then I waste their time and mine cancelling the account. I'd like to get a recommendation from a user this time.

Posted by IHSL, 02-15-2007, 12:44 PM
The thing to remember: If you are having spam list problems, moving all accounts to a single reseller hosting provider won't help you. Even if each site is on their own IP, the mail IP stays the same. Example: abcxyz.com is on 123.111.123.111 abcxyz.com is on 123.111.123.121 Both sites, if they are on the same server, use the same IP for outgoing email. If one site gets the IP blacklisted, the other sites on the server suffer too. My opinion is that you should look for a host dedicated to fighting spam and keeping the boxes away from RBL's. It would save you money, and a lot of headaches. The same is with an attack/flood. If a single IP is attacked, the whole server suffers (in fact, more than one server). Simon

Posted by woodp, 02-15-2007, 01:28 PM
Simon, You've just provided more useful information in ten minutes than my host did in four years. Thank you! Any chance you're opening a datacenter out west anytime soon?

Posted by Website Rob, 02-15-2007, 01:44 PM
Something else to consider. It is a good idea when getting a Reseller account to get Personalized Nameservers. This allows all 'your' Clients to use 'your' Nameservers. When or if, moving your Reseller account in the future, your Clients will not need to do anything at their Registrar. As your Nameservers (presumably) will stay the same, only you have to update Registrar changes. And with a Reseller account, you will have the advantage on Suspending just the account having problems without affecting your other accounts. Something you cannot do with your current Shared Hosting package.

Posted by IHSL, 02-15-2007, 01:51 PM
Sorry, no plans for that. There's lots of good providers out there, though Simon

Posted by TonyB, 02-15-2007, 04:16 PM
Spamming community as in mail spam? (I just want to clarify) because if this is the case mail for most hosts all mail is sent out by juse one IP address. As for the IP's the thing is most require justification and the thing is the valid reasons are SSL, Anonymouns FTP and Nameservers being the most popular of course not the only valid reasons. You saying the reason you want more IP's is because of a dos attack you received would by many consider you a danger and simply ask you to go elsewhere. Of course there are hosts lax on IP's so in the end it shouldn't be a problem. But if you give the reason of dos attacks I think you may have a hard time getting the ip's + having a host. Plus if you have the 10 ip's one gets attacked most likely all will go down if the server can't handle the attack. The only thing is if the host null routes your one IP the other sites will end up still functioning at least. I honestly see no reason not to keep your current multi shared account system if it's working for you and you don't mind the price. We have some customers doing this at a large scale with resellers accounts. They have 5 accounts with us, 5 with someone else and when I asked them about this they said it makes so not everything is going down and if a host goes out of business for whatever reason they're not stuck moving thousands of domains. More headaches probably but the piece of mind that all the sites depend on one company is great for them.

Posted by woodp, 02-15-2007, 04:42 PM
Tony, I may have confused you. I don't use the hosting accounts for outgoing mail, but I do host vBulletin boards that do. And I don't spam, but judging from the amount of bounced mail I'm seeing, someone (something?) is spamming by using my domain names in their return address. As a result, I typically get one of my ten domains blocked by Brightmail, aol and/or hotmail a month and I usually don't know about it until one of my customers starts screaming ... or an email from postmaster@aol.com comes in. Then my host goes to work and a day later it's cleared up again. I'm somewhat resigned to the process ... Well, it's not working well. I have some older accounts that are small and expensive, while the newer accounts are huge and less expensive. Some offer no MySQL and some offer unlimited ... and so on. I'm frustrated keeping track of the limitations and billing cycles. And, customer service has gone downhill since this host had five machines back in 1997. Now their machine count is over 100 and customer service is spotty, slow, and unfortunately frequently uninformed. My host will accept upgrades from the legacy plans, but only if I move machines. So if I have to move anyway, and I'm not thrilled about my present host, why not just move on?

Posted by Shaw Networks, 02-15-2007, 04:56 PM
Having a website on a dedicated IP won't make a difference in regards to e-mail blacklisting. E-mails are always sent through the main server mail daemon which runs solely on the main server IP.



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